Speak Out : Ginger, Black, Grey….Whatever!
The Story “Gotta Love Those Young Black Men” got my thinking about another group stereotyped with pro or con prejudices: Ginger
I have to ask, whats up with all these guys cruising and stalking us Gingers? I don’t get it.
Ok, lets look at the facts: Sure the red hair is sort of hot on a YOUNG guy. Mine has changed colors over the years. I was a brilliant fire red in my teens, auburn as an adult, and now at 50 dulling to a weird rust red with gray. (Thank you Clairol for saving me. A touch of ash blond – and it grabs the red pigment and I’m red again.)
The white skin is rather sexy as hell when your in your 20s. For myself, if I look at the sun I burn, peel, and return to my natural vampire white. What is a tan for ginger? Just various shades of red. If I see a ginger with a tan – I know – its painted on. Unless we are diligent about moisturizer (which most men are not) by the time we hit 50 we look like dry rot shoe leather.
People make a big deal about white guys liking black men. There are just as many black and white men cruising gingers just for our hair color. No one says anything about that. Speaking only for myself as a ginger: what is up with that?
tngemini on adam4adam
As a half member of the red head clan ( my beard has red in it, but none of my head) I LOVE GINGER!! I’m 23 and I love me a good looking older ginger. That shit gets me hard so fast
people don’t cruise for ginger out of some stereotype of dominance (or submissiveness for that matter)
they also typically would DATE a ginger. That speaks volumes about the motivation behind the attraction.
you want a straight girl friend that likes you for who you are or one that likes you because they heard gay men are fun?
if this scenario never causes you an issue, either because you ARE a kind of homosexual who enjoys shopping and whathaveyou, then fine. i’m sure you can then imagine it a non issue. But not everyone wants that, nor should people have to tolerate it because sterotyping is easier than thinking about it.
apply your critical thinking and train of thought with what you think about with OTHER issues, to this one.
btw two things: one, it was mostly black guys and some other ethnicities that had an issue with the article. i realize that the opinions of the ones in question are always valid, unless its about ethnic people, then their voice matters the least it seems. the people that didnt find it offensive, were viewing those comments and proceeded to fetishize them in their own comments anyway. why am i more wrong for calling out insensitivity than one is for doing it? because you agree with it? thats not fair. what if this was a straight site?? oh thats different i’m sure..
this article contains no salacious story about gingers which, if this was an article written about women by a straight man, we would instantly see how degrading it could be perceived. its strange you dont recognize that you handled this article differently automatically.
even stranger we demand straight people think outside of the box on our behalf after all this. but many gay whites i believe only had an issue with discrimination bec… nevermind
I have to admit that some of the best sex I ever had was with gingers, and I have a special place in my heart for them because they’ve all got a bit of the devil in them, so they’re a lot of fun to be around, dressed or naked, in public or in bed. I don’t cruise specifically for them, but I’m much more likely to comment on a ginger’s profile than any other.
“Ginger” is still a relatively young sub culture of men/women and have not been historically denigrated and oppressed as black people have been. Does that excuse the prejudice or the blatant objectification of one simply based on a physical characteristic, no. However, it doesn’t carry the same weight. It’s a false equivalence. On a broader note, we should be working towards a more inclusive LGBTQ community and global community where our differences are celebrated but not to the extent of fetishism and objectification.
While I understand that fetishes of specific traits such as skin color, hair color or others are objectifying and irritating to all who are sought out for them, there is one crucial difference between Black/BBC fetish and a ginger fetish: Gingers were not lined up and auctioned off like cattle in this country, where as the ancestors of many Black men were and the purchasers of them were looking for many of the same characteristics that many white men troll the internet looking for today. The fact that just over 150 years post slavery, Black men are still objectified in this manner is sickening. I am a firm believer that everyone has the right to date, fuck, or other whom ever they want (consensualy if course), but over looking the long history of prejudice, exploitation, and objectification is impossible for me to do as a Black man. So while I feel for your pain of being sought out simply for your ginger hair, it’s in a different category. As mentioned in the comments to other articles, it can be quite difficult due to geography and population for Black gay men to find other Black gay men, therefore leaving them with two choices: either expand their dating criteria or be alone. White men on the other hand have the luxury of majority and can chose to date a specific race simply as a fetish. I’ve seen the same thing happen to my Asian and Hispanic brothers. Consider this a public service announcement: White men, other races are not a flavor. We deal with enough from societal stereotypes and institutionalized racism on the daily basis and do not need it from those who also want our bodies. If you are going to hook-up with, date, or settle down with a man of color, do it because it’s a man you want to share yourself with, not because your in love with his color.
What another ignorant post. To acknowlege your feelings Gingerism is real but not to the extent of racism.
Here is a well written article to explain
but if you dont feel like reading it and want to be bias and not be open to the fact you are wrong( which is scary to you I know)
here is the main point which I will copy and paste
“Anti-ginger prejudice and bullying is real and harmful, but the idea that it equates to these systems of oppression is fundamentally flawed. It assumes that all forms of prejudice and discrimination are equal and occurring in the same context when they really do not. It assumes that all forms of discrimination are the products of individual bigotry and irrational prejudice rather than structural and institutional divides.
The real danger in arguing that gingerism is just as harmful as racism, sexism, disablism or homophobia is that when you say those words, what some people will choose to hear is that racism, sexism, disablism or homophobia are just as superficial, just as trivial, just as much of a joke, as gingerism.”
I’ll be honest.. I LOVE redheads..gingers.. it’s just something that turns me on..for me it’s exotic…and everytime i get with a ginger,which is rare… i count it a blessing.. I LOVE REDHEADS!!!! and a plethora of other men as well and i wld love to have more encounters with redheads..so if any redheads wanna get with me, i’m bigdickpos74 on a4a..check out my profile and say hi….
These days don’t matter the skin color long as ur cock is hard and u like sex I’m in…lol
Being an older ginger whose head hair color has mellowed to a dull red/blonde but somehow the hair down below stayed fire red I can say I get mixed reactions. Some guys love the red others don’t. I find the dark haired guys like gingers more than others. What’s real hot is tow gingers having sex. Just hooked up last week another ginger and we had a hot time playing and comparing our hair. Some guys find my greying temples hot against my red/blonde hair color. When I drop my bozers and my fire red bush is shown some guys gasp. Gee Whiz!!!!
Nick hit the nail on the head. This probably the most egregious case of false equivalency that I’ve ever seen. If that’s all you got out of that story last night, that’s laughable. Why do white people want to be discriminated against so badly..?
EXACTLY NICK.. I WAS THE ONE WHO MADE THE FIRST COMMENT YESTERDAY AND IT SOUNDS AS IF SOMEONE DID NOT LIKE THE OUTCOME OF THE BLOG. I’M UNAPOLOGETIC BECAUSE MY/OUR OPINION IS VALID AND EVEN THOUGH THE BLOGS WON’T ADDRESS IT THERE IS A FAT ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
Please don’t put white red heads in the same box as black guys. You’ve been attempting to bring us all the way down with your sick useless and inhumane fantasies, and now this? Red heads are at the bottom of the spectrum when it comes to, ‘White People’ and they too were lynched even as late as the late 19th century, legally! And white people beat red heads up for being red heads. And now just because you all have had a problem with them for years you want to push them over next to us? No thank you! You can keep all them right next to you white people. Who are you going to put in the box with us next, risky sex with guys with leprosy or ebola? No, keep your little red heads away from us because your disdain for them is in no way comparable to the way you all perpetually dis’d the black man! The dirty red-heads you’re referring to are white and you can keep them right with yourselves! Let them fight their own battles; we’re not interested in stepping in to help any sad red heads out. (And sex with red head is not anywhere near the quality of sex you get from black men.)
Love orange flavored guy!
OK I’m really tired of reading these articles and comments about these segregationist undertones. “Oh stop objectifying me” mindsets are getting old. People like what they like and go after it. I like bigger guys, but I’m not a chubby chaser, some like younger men but they are not daddies. Its not just the gay community, its society as a whole. Just because someone messages you because you have red hair or are black, doesnt mean that they aren’t walking to a a blond or white guy in another message. To think that a guy is talking to you just because of a physical characteristic is a bit narcissistic to say the least. And on a professional level author…ash does not make your hair red, it is a green base, it will neutralize it.
OK I’m really tired of reading these articles and comments about these segregationist undertones. “Oh stop objectifying me” mindsets are getting old. People like what they like and go after it. I like bigger guys, but I’m not a chubby chaser, some like younger men but they are not daddies. Its not just the gay community, its society as a whole. Just because someone messages you because you have red hair or are black, doesnt mean that they aren’t talking to a a blond or white guy in another message. To think that a guy is talking to you just because of a physical characteristic is a bit narcissistic to say the least. And on a professional level author…ash does not make your hair red, it is a green base, it will neutralize it.
What is it, you don’t want anyone to know that you’re sleeping with a stinky, dirty, and ugly red head either? What? Are they also a part of the, shame? Ya’ll can deal with them, we don’t want them either. They’re you alls dirty little issue.
Have to say, some of my best friends have been gingers, and I love them to death.
first off I HATE the term GINGER. I am a REDHEAD and proud of it. I have no f’n clue where the term ginger even came from. I find my fellow redheads total hot and being pale or pasty white, alabaster or whatever you want to call it just makes redheads even hotter. Us redheads are know not only for our temper but our passion. It’s been my experience that redheads are just plain better in the sack; more inventive, adventurous, outgoing and just plain more fun. now I do enjoy blonds, brunettes, hairy, smooth and many other catagories of men but my fellow REDS will always cum first.
Well I agree, There are just as many men cruising gingers just for your hair color. I happen like all gingers & its not for the hair, its the skin pigment & freckles. Why settle for the common when you can cherish the exotic & rare genetic masterpieces.
I love me a gingy, but i know from the past is that they usually get gray pretty fast………….so you have to enjoy them early
I don’t think it’s stereotyping. It’s sexual attraction and it’s complex. I find gingers incredibly sexy. That’s not a STEREOTYPE it’s just a set of features I’m attracted to.
Who cares, ginger , black, grey, bald…a hot man is a hot man. Hair color is the absolutely the last thing on my mind
I grew up hating my ginger hair. I was the only red head in the family and got teased a lot by my brothers. Copper top, karrot top, red on the head like a dick on a dog, you name it, I was called it. When I was 28 I dropped from 315 to a solid 240 in one summer. I came out of the closet and it seemed like red hair became popular over night. Suddenly I was the Belle of the ball, lol. Some of the best sex I’ve had has been with fellow Gingers, but I’m not sure if it’s because they are naturally better or it they try harder to live up to the steriotype, lol. What ever the reason, I don’t care, it sure makes for some hot sweaty fun. I do find myself a little more aggressive when I’m with another redhead.
Your sick attempt to derail a conversation on the sexual fetishization of black men- which mind you, has been occurring for 100s of years is sickening. Disgusting really.
So because you don’t have a problem with being fetishized, it isn’t wrong is your argument? What are the overall stereotypes of gingers? I would imagine that people would tend to holistically see a ginger person as a person, not solely as a sex object. And as you yourself pointed out- your hair and skin have changed. If you dislike being seen from a purely sexual standpoint, you can dye your hair- black men will forever be stereotyped and treated as solely sex objects, just for their ‘BBC’. How many people initiate relationships with them?
Take a look at all of the ads and see how many gingers compared to the rest and I think theres your answer.
i love them all
Ginger mean red
I didn’t read the “black” article, so I can’t speak to that other than to say that when white people write something black folks find to be offensive, then it most likely is. No white-splaining, please.
Having said that, I fucking LOVE ginger hair. I’ve been attracted to men and women of all hair colors, but I really do love ginger at an extra special level. Like Ben above, I do have a red beard, for disclosure’s sake :).
I think it’s just because there aren’t that many red heads around. Seeing a red head naked is almost like seeing a new gay form of life….lol. A ginger is nice to look at and a good change from the same old brown, blonde and black haired guys.
I love red hair. I have a fire crotch, but was pale blond as a kid, darkening slightly until about 50, and is now, um, relightening, shall we say.
But give me a pale-skinned red-haired boy over everything else. Especially if he’s actually Scottish and has a big uncut cock. 🙂 (Yeah, yeah, mostly you see dark-haired guys there).
I practically snap my own neck whipping around when I see a ginger.
Oh, on the tan thing…I’m glad to see that tans are finally going out of fashion. As those things go, they’ll probably come back at some point, but I for one won’t welcome them back. I like the au naturel untanned look, feel, and especially smell. Plus, if the guy is a smoker, tanning really makes them stink (or being a smoker over 25 or so…)
Red hair rocks!! >;-)~
I too am a redhead, or Ginger (a British term) and I haven’t seen any grey, just white. I too used to get teased a lot; but have always been attracted to Middle East or Hairy Greek type guys. Opposites attract. I like most guy, just not into Native American guys. Shoot me; we all have our likes and dislikes.
I am concerned that the talk about redheads turned into talk about racism, or slavery. Seriously?
In Beltugal, redheads and blondes are highly sought after, and being Beltuguese I would have I fit that stereo type because I love blondes but redheads by far are my favorite.
Well if having red hair is so on the same level of objectification as being black, then I feel sorry for the dudes who are black AND red-haired (that IS a naturally-occurring combination too, you know).
as a ginger myself call me what you want,when we take our clothes off it doesn’t matter really does it,when I was young I had the blaze red hair EVERYWHERE in top it mostly gray/gone/reddish,my chest is still red with more gray coming daily it seems but my arms pits pubes everything from my chest down is still bright red,when I was a kid bullied n beat up till I joined the navy and got strong enough to defend my self,still can mix it up if need be,but lately have been loving my life as a ginger daddy and no complaints from the boys,my advice love who u want be the red white blue yellow black or brown we all bleed RED, like the song goes “if you can’t be with you love love the one your with” BTW I joined the m2m gang about 2009…Dean
If so many guys love gingers so much, why is my inbox so quiet?
Oh… must be because I’m balding and greying and not so ginger any more. Damn.
I love me a young Twink ginger. Red head and pubes otherwise hairless. Live the hole if clean it is just a cherry pink spiritual sight to see. It provide me a guy with ED an instant boner.
I am also kinda a half ginger. When I was quite young I was a platinum blond, as I have gotten older my hair has darkened, and people have called me “red” when I was wearing a baseball cap because of my beard. But I really like a hot ginger, dunno why. I’m generally not attracted to black men or asain men, and it’s not for lack of trying, but there’s exceptions to every rule, and I wish I was, just like I’ve said I wish I was bisexual, that just means there’s more people to fuck, but unfortunately I wasn’t made that way.
What I would like to know is why is it that people keep asking, especially in our community, “what is it with guys and … s?” As gay men many of us have already felt enough public scorn for liking members of the same sex from people outside the community, why do we have to do it to each other? I’ve always said that you know what you like, but can you explain WHY you like what you like? And I mean in demonstratable terms besides using subjective terms like; “I dunno, I just like it, or I just think it’s hot.” or whatever you say. People like all different things, even people that may appear the exact polar opposite of who they are, which is what makes love so cool, because EVERYONE had the possibility of finding love. Some 800 lbs men are only interested in body builders, and some body builders are only interested in 800 lbs men. Now granted one of the two in the last example probably has much wider appeal to a bigger demographic of men and therefore a larger candidate pool in which to find said love, but they still have possibility. So let’s stop judging each other for what we like (unless it’s something that is harmful to the other party like pedophiles, or rapeists) and just understand that something you find to be a turn on other people find repulsive.
Hey guys how a black guy who has red hair, that’s me people always think I dye my hair sometimes I do but red all over.
Funny how things change, as a young person, I remember when a blonde was the flavor of the day, blonde was hot and everyone was blonde in the TV commercials. You could even buy a product to put in your hair to let the sun bleach it blonde. (yes, I tried it and became a redhead, lol, which wasn’t all that bad as I have always admired and lusted after a redhead or strawberry blonde.) BTW, is it me or is there a redhead in every tv commercial now?
Are they any better in bed? Probably not, but just the sight of that red or orange gets me so hot, who cares. To me that color is sexy and it enhances my pleasure. Maybe it is just the fact that many, not all, red’s to me have that God, mom, and apple pie, boy next door look. I enjoy all colors of men and won’t single out just red, but if one comes along….. Ended up in a relationship with one and have been very happy. Guess that since I am not a redhead, even though it does run in the family, I’ll settle for admiring them.
So I’m half black and half Mexican but I’m actually almost full ginger I mean red hair, pubes, beard, I’m pretty fair toned lol. Basically what I’m getting at is that would you consider me a ginger if I’m not pale white but have all the other characteristics of a ginger. I personally love a person with red hair whether they are giving get or not.
Don’t forget there are also black people WITH naturally red hair 😉
I am black stud and I love Gingers
goldenloverinmym is my A4A sexy- horny-versa-ginger/gray-youthful-fitness oriented hit me up for fun n pleasure seeks active type guys Dean
Wow, this post is INCREDIBLY asinine! While I happen to be one of the guys who find gingers attractive (Mmm, Cameron Monaghan), I can’t say that I’ve ever heard GROUPS of guys discussing gingers in a way that essentially strips them of their humanity and reduces them to their genitals and/or some other distinguishing feature that “ALL” gingers purportedly have in common! So, please, cut it out! This sounds ridiculous!
I have only fallen for three guys in my life; two of them were Ginger, and one was Latino.
Enjoy the gingers while they’re young, because 95% of redheads go bald earlier than most.